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I’ve found it works great. DWR spruces right back up in the dryer on medium heat. Ymmv however, Goodluck!","subreddit":"arcteryx"},{"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/PatagoniaClothing/comments/1bvt3it/grangers_2_in_1_grangers_separate_wash_spray/ky1lr7i/","type":"comment","title":"Recommendation to use separate wash and spray instead of 2-in-1","author":"Expensive_Profit_106","ref_id":"r_e_4","thread":{"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/PatagoniaClothing/comments/1bvt3it/grangers_2_in_1_grangers_separate_wash_spray/","title":"grangers 2 in 1 grangers separate wash spray","subreddit":"PatagoniaClothing"},"excerpt":"Get grangers tech wash and spray on dwr. 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