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These are an amazing alternative if you don’t plan on spending $$$$."},{"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1n2h4qj/kleman_padror_vs_beckett_simonon_theo_thoughts/nnooek4/","type":"comment","title":"Versatile and stylish, sizing note","author":"rcjennings","ref_id":"r_e_6","thread":{"url":"https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1n2h4qj/kleman_padror_vs_beckett_simonon_theo_thoughts/","title":"kleman padror vs beckett simonon theo thoughts","subreddit":"malefashionadvice"},"excerpt":"I did end up getting the Padrors and I’m into them. I’ve worn them with a suit and with everyday jeans. They go with everything. A wee bit bigger than expected. I’m usually a 10.5 in US so I got the 44s, but they’re just a little bit big - with thicker socks, though, they’re pretty spot on. 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